I've been watching James Bond movies lately and thought I'd see what other people have to say about them.

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TheJollyApe |
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What do you think of James Bond and the movies? Do you like them, dislike them? Any favourites? Favourite villains? Favourite actor? Have you read the books?
I've been watching James Bond movies lately and thought I'd see what other people have to say about them. Everything popular is wrong. ![]() |
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they put me to sleep ... mostly the earlier ones... the last three were pretty good.
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big nay from me
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smutterly1 |
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I like 'em!! My fave Sean one was From Russia With Love. I liked OHMSS with Diana Rigg. My fave Roger Moore one was Live and Let Die, I didn't really
like the the Timothy Dalton ones (through no fault of his, I think he's a good actor) The World is Not Enough is my fave Pierce one (mainly because of
Sophie *giggle*), and I also really liked the latest Bond Daniel Craig (loved the free running chase sequence)
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Well I have deep affection for them as every Christmas it was about the only film that was on! (Apart from Wizard of Oz, which terrified me!) There are some
films I like better than others. I always liked george Lazenbury in OHMSS, and wasn't too fond of Roger Moore in the later ones, although I did like For
Your Eyes Only. Spy Who loved me was good and I did like Goldeneye. The music is always top draw, and at home we used to have the cd. My dad read the books and
prefered them (I ususally prefer book to film too) but I haven't. Villians wise, JAWS was a good baddie and oddjob, but i didn't like Sean Bean. I
thought he'd have made a good Bond!
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Didn't care about the Bond films until Daniel Craig started playing him.
He's different, rougher around the edges, harder. Meaner. It's hard to imagine Brosnan or even Connery running full throttle through a closed door and busting it to splinters. I like it and Casino Royale was the first Bond film I watched in its entirety. Hope he's Bond for a long time. |
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Yay for Bond. Like most of them, though I haven't sean too many Sean Connery ones. It surprised me that I actually like Daniel Craig as Bond. From the
pictures before I saw it, I didn't think I would; physically, he's not exactly what I think of when I think "Bond, James Bond", but he plays
it very well. Pierce Brosnan was my favorite Bond, Roger Moore my next fave, George Lazenby and Timothy Dalton were ok.
My favorite Bond movie bounces back and forth between all the Pierce Brosnan ones. Live and Let Die with Roger Moore was pretty good, as was The Man With the Golden Gun. Jaws was an interesting villain. Scared the crap out of me, though. Haven't read the books, though I own a few. |
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smutterly1 wrote: FRWL is my favorite Bond film of all time. I grew up with Roger Moore, and I think the best one he did was, "For Your Eyes Only" followed closely by "The Spy Who Loved Me." I also like OHMSS, because of Diana Rigg. I disagree with you about the Dalton comment. I like the both Bond films that he did with "Living Daylights" being a favorite. Brosnan was a mixed bag for me. I like only two of the four he did. Those being, "Golden Eye" and "The World Is Not Enough." "Die Another Day" and "Tomorrow Never Dies" sucked. TND always puts me to sleep, and the villain has to be one of the weakest villains ever. Like I'm supposed to be affraid of the Ted Turner type. Anyways, I have also read most of Flemming Bond books except for the last four. I have been meaning to, but out of the ones I have read, the first four Bond movies are close to the books with a couple of distinctions. Spectre is mentioned as early on as Dr. No, and they're not really mentioned until Thunderball. I haven't read OHMSS, but alot of people say that movie is close to the book. "Casino Royale" took some scenes out of the book and when I first saw the movie, I had a smile on my face. I like Danial Craig's portayal on Bond. The thing that I absolutley hated was that they changed the card game in the movie from baccarat to poker. Made the movie seemed dummed down for me, and I also thought that if they kept the game as being baccarat, then people would want to find out what it is and then start playing it. Having said that, the rest of "Casino Royale" I like except for that long chase scene at the beginning of the film. It dragged on a little too long, and had nothing to do with the rest of the movie. |
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Nay. I'm not a big James Bond fan. I haven't seen Casino Royale though, and I've heard it's a good one.
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The one Bond film that always grabs me is Goldfinger - as soon as I hear Shirley Bassey belting out the title song, I
have to sit down and watch it. Gert Frobe made a great baddie, Harold Sakata was the all-time classic evil flunkey, and Honor Blackman was stunning as - er -
Ms Galore.
Lazenby did a decent job in his one appearance, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service actually had one of the better Bond storylines, but he never got a chance to "grow into" the role and make it his own. Never cared much for the Roger Moore Bonds - he was rather suave and blase, and I got the feeling that he didn't particularly like the character he was playing. Don't even remember the Dalton movies, which I guess probably sums up my opinion of them. Pierce Brosnan was OK, and I liked the way that he wanted to toughen up and deepen his character over time. My favorite of his is Tomorrow Never Dies, not so much for the story or even his performance as for the chance to see Michelle Yeoh in action - she's a spectacular martial artist. I think Daniel Craig's off to a good start with Casino Royale - the producers restored the original Fleming story for the most part, and Craig's semi-thuggish portrayal is close to how Fleming originally visualized the character. I'll be interested to see what the next one's like.
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I'm pretty sure I've seen most of the films at least three times. Sean Connery is probably my favourite "Bond".
I quite enjoyed the Daniel Craig version, but it almost seemed "non-Bond" to me. In fact, it seemed more James Bourne than James Bond, but that's not a bad thing (I really enjoy the Bourne series of films). That typed, I do hope that the series becomes a little more "fantastical". I'd like to see a nice balance between the more extreme "realism" of Daniel Craig and the extreme "fantastical" of Pierce Brosnan's films. I do like the way the series is establishing some continuity between films. That's a pretty cool touch given most of the other films (from memory) are very much stand-alone. Cheers. |
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TheJollyApe |
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I've been watching the old Sean Connery movies and I can understand why people think he's the best. The charisma and the arrogance are bloody lovely.
I've always thought the movies were just sexist fluff, but I've realised there's a whole lot more to it just below the surface. There's a very dark nature to Bond, and the way Connery played it at times you could sorta feel a self-loathing. He really wasn't a hero, he was just someone who did his job. Also like in Dr No, behind the facade of a bikini and a name like Honey you have a really dark story with rape and murder. I used to be a nayer, but as I'm watching them from a new perspective and spend a little time looking below the surface of the comments and actions I am quickly becoming a yayer. It's silly fantastical action, but with a very dark background. Quite enjoyable. I'm actually quite fond of the display of villains from Diamonds Are Forever; Mr Kidd & Mr Wint, Bambi & Thumper, and not to mention Charles Gray (in drag!). Everything popular is wrong. ![]() |
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Gabfan23 |
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I always liked the old Moneypenny, Q and M. Q had a lovely last scene in TWINE. That continuity was brilliant. Poor Moneypenny never did get her man..
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LadyKate63 |
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Yea from me.
The least memorable Bond to me was Timothy Dalton. Roger Moore's Bond was a little too "polished," IMO, and didn't have the edge or the darker charisma of either Connery or Brosnan, but some of the Bond movies with Moore were definitely good over-the-top fun -- Octopussy and For Your Eyes Only are my favorites. I also liked Connery's comeback as Bond in Never Say Never Again. Haven't seen Daniel Craig yet; is Casino Royale worth watching? Btw, I've also read quite a few of the Fleming novels. They're fun reading if you can get past some sexist and homophobic passages that are rather grating to the modern reader.
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LadyKate63 wrote:I thought it was OK. Ended abruptly but word is "A Quantum of Solace" will pick up fairly quickly after. Didn't see it at cinema, just on TV movie channel, and didn't think that's a waste of time and money. Not my favourite by any means but good enough for the series.
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Random question to those who's read the books. How closely does the plots of the movies follow the books? And anyone know how many books there are?
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CasualFan |
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I think there were 12 or 13 novels that Fleming wrote - hold on a sec [quickly cheats by checking Wiki] . . .
OK - 12 novels and 2 collections of short stories by Fleming, plus the usual flood of quasi-fanfic and "continuation" novels that any successful series spawns. I think that the early movies followed the book plots fairly closely, with some changes due to the fact that the books were often serialized, while the movies were stand-alone. As the movies got more and more fantastical, they strayed further and further from the books, which eventually seemed to serve as little more than convenient title-providers.
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TheJollyApe wrote:I always tell people that the first four movies (Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, and Thunderball), are the closest to the books. They started to get carried away with "You Only Live Twice," but I have also heard that "On Her Majesty Secret Service" is close to the novelization too. By the time Moore came around, only the titles of the books were used, and the stories were disregarded. That's not to say that is a bad thing. "The Spy Who Loved Me," is one of my favorite Roger Moore Bond movies, and it's nothing like the book. Some stories, quite frankly don't work in modern times. By the time they did "Live and Let Die," alot of things had to be changed for it to be more relevant to the time the movie was made. It wasn't until "Casino Royale" that the novelization was used for a guide. "Quatum of Solace" will not follow closely to the short story it's based on. Only the name will be used. It's not a continuation of "Casino Royale" like it is being portrayed in the movies. |
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Nittany Lioness 1 |
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Carefully considered analysis of the Bonds can be found from Buffy's villianous Triumvirate:
JONATHAN: Where're we going? WARREN: To Final Jeopardy. Where Buffy's the one in jeopardy. ANDREW: We are really super-villains now, like ... like Dr. No. (Jonathan grins) WARREN: Yeah, back when Bond was Connery, and movies were decent. JONATHAN: (scornful) Who remembers Connery? I mean, Roger Moore was smooth. WARREN: You're insane. You're short, and you're insane. ANDREW: I like Timothy Dalton! Warren smacks Andrew upside the head. ANDREW: Hey! WARREN: Don't make me pull over, okay? WARREN: (to Andrew) Connery is Bond. He had style. JONATHAN: Yeah, but Roger Moore was funny. WARREN: Moonraker? The gondola turns into a hovercraft? It's retarded. Besides, the guy had, like, no edge. ANDREW: Dalton had edge. In Licence to Kill he was a rogue agent. That's edgy. (Warren and Jonathan give him looks of disbelief) And he was amazing in The Living Daylights. JONATHAN: Yeah, which was written for Roger Moore, not Timothy Dalton! WARREN: (annoyed) Okay, this is stupid! We're wasting time. End of discussion. The other two nod and turn to their consoles, begin typing. Beat. WARREN: (very angry) I mean, there's a shot of like *pigeons*, doing double-takes when the gondola blasted by! Moonraker ... is inexcusable. The others just look at him. WARREN: Connery is the only actor of the bunch. ANDREW: Timothy Dalton should get an Oscar and (yells) beat Sean Connery over the head with it! WARREN: (grimly) Okay, that's it. Warren spins around, grabs Andrew, gets him in a headlock. ============================================= I think after the initial impressive entertainment of Connery's first several films, the franchise stumbled along the way. Despite that, it's very hard for me to feel disappointed for long, because there's always elements to enjoy even in the lamest Bond movies. Whether it's the villian or some one liners, or the costuming, there's always something that feels yummy - like bad-for-ya comfort food. I actually think the production values on some, I'm thinking a few of the later Moore ones, were not up to what one might expect for such supposedly blockbuster flicks. Some scenes looked downright slapped together. Moore definately took it in a comedic, lightweight direction, and though on its own merit I enjoyed that, compared to the others I find those movies the weakest because of such handling. I would rate Connery's first 4, let's say, the best, with Dalton a close second. Connery gave the perfect blend of deadly serious and breezy zingers. Dalton took Connery's serious angle to 100%, even the cheesy lines I think he tried to pass off as something a Dark Bond might really think at the time. My only problem with the Dalton Bond films were the female love interests. The first one was adequate but I recall much buzz when the flick came out that because of the height of the AIDS scare at the time, even the promiscuous James Bond was keeping it down to one sex partner. I thought that was a mistake. BOND MOVIE = BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ... plural. The second film had the wonderful Talisa Soto as the Villian's (played by the awesome Robert Davi) lover who charms Bond, but Cary Lowell as the Good Girl CIA operative was talentless and really dragged the whole thing down. By the way Davi's character's sidekick was so delightfully wicked and showed such great potential talent. Who was it? Why, oscar winner Benecio Del Toro. Brosnon's I'm ambivalent about - I think they had some of what was great about Connery's but damn it - some of his stories reeeeeeeeeeally lagged in the middle. I like every stitch of Craig's new "real" Bond. My only quibble is I don't know why on earth they wouldn't color his hair dark for the role. Bugs the living sh!t outta me. Joxerfan once posted a wonderful picture of the ... scary looking ... musician I think it was, that Flemming wrote of, that resembled what Bond was supposed to look like. Joxerfan, buddy - you still have that pic? BTW - have to disagree about Xenia Onatopp as a cool femme fatale. I thought Brosnon's time at the wheel clashed with the ridiculousness of her "skill" - being able to suffocate men with squeezing thighs. That kind of thing belonged with Bambi and Thumper from the Moore days. And her sexual excitement while doing it was cringeworthy. I happen to really like Famke Janssen as an actress, and she did the best she could with the material (and she was gorgeous), but it was flat out stupid. They were trying to be daring in the sexual angle, but it didn't work IMO. Oh and smutterly - I find Sophie Marceau's scene with Brosnan at the top of the stairs to be one of the finest dramatic moments for a Bond film and, just in terms of drama in movies overall- very fine. The tragedy of Bond shooting her - it was a: Wow - they really went there - moment. Quintessentially dark. I thought her character and her situation was very well done, and fit in with what Bond would really encounter in the cases he takes on. And she was so beautiful and appropriately "troubled good girl" sexy for the Bond genre.
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Bambi and Thumper are from "Diamonds Are Forever." That last Bond flick Connery did.
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Nittany Lioness 1 |
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Oh, oop - yea, yikes. The later Connery ones had some solid silliness too.
I can't believe an aged Connery (for Bond) was paired with a super young Kim Basinger. Was that Never Say Never Again? I thought that was the very last Connery one - he'd vowed never to do it again, but like,,, 10 or so years later he got roped in again, with a script making light of an older Bond to fit in with Connery's corresponding ... tooth length? (Or was the story a Bond story independently of that fact?)
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